5x58 base + level 100 Double axe for sale

[Iltar]

Reduced price to 2800ed.
Don't listen to those who say HLA is bad for RPD, it's logical mistake. Unless you are real fan of RPD, and going to do something like reducing your physical resist. You will die less with HLA, because it reduces frequency of mob's hits. This is good if mob or group of mobs have any chance to kill you.

[Muolke]

Reduced price to 2800ed.
Don't listen to those who say HLA is bad for RPD, it's logical mistake. Unless you are real fan of RPD, and going to do something like reducing your physical resist. You will die less with HLA, because it reduces frequency of mob's hits. This is good if mob or group of mobs have any chance to kill you.

The HLA thing is a minor issue here. It's a matter of preference. The main issue is that this weapon only has 2 direct hits on and an end-game weapon needs at least 3 maxed out at 60%. Some people may also not like the AoE on it.

I bought my Ancient Yumi fully leveled and 1 handed for 2800ED and it has 3 direct hit spells plus no HLA, I hope you can see why you're not getting too much interest in it. When you're spending that kind of gold or EDs on a weapon you want something that is darn near perfect.

[Iltar]

The HLA thing is a minor issue here. It's a matter of preference. The main issue is that this weapon only has 2 direct hits on and an end-game weapon needs at least 3 maxed out at 60%. Some people may also not like the AoE on it.

I'm just saying that noHLA argument is a preference for those who really like RPD, and ready to die more often for it. Same for 3 hits, it's your choice, I suggest to go and test harm/magic arrow damage before spending points on them instead of leeches.
I don't need to sell weapon very urgently anyway, I think stats are well spent and maybe someone will buy it once.

[Muolke]

The HLA thing is a minor issue here. It's a matter of preference. The main issue is that this weapon only has 2 direct hits on and an end-game weapon needs at least 3 maxed out at 60%. Some people may also not like the AoE on it.

I'm just saying that noHLA argument is a preference for those who really like RPD, and ready to die more often for it. Same for 3 hits, it's your choice, I suggest to go and test harm/magic arrow damage before spending points on them instead of leeches.
I don't need to sell weapon very urgently anyway, I think stats are well spent and maybe someone will buy it once.

I have 3 hits on mine, and one is Harm. It does 40-50 damage per hit and i'm not even at max SDI. That's considerable. Like I said, anyone spending that kind of gold or EDs isn't going to want to settle for this, and that, and the other thing. I hope you sell it but don't be surprised if it takes a while and it sells for quite a bit less.

[Iltar]

I have 3 hits on mine, and one is Harm. It does 40-50 damage per hit and i'm not even at max SDI.

That 40-50 damage that Hit Harm does, is about 10-15% of total damage. Maybe you like it, but having stamina leech is good too often. It's all requires testing in different situations etc. If you like Hit Harm great, but what is "better" or "necessary for end-game" on weapon is preference. Have fun:)

[Johnny Warren]

Without trying to pile-on here... I love me my high end weapons. It's my thing. I can't resist strategy and high end gear talk. Let me preface this with saying that I really like your Citrine jewel high HP relayer strat Iltar (don't think it's very effective because it lacks the 2 most important stats [SDI and RPD]), it's awesome out of the box thinking and nobody else can get HP like you and I like that you think differently about your items. But here we go...

Iltar is correct when he says the HLA is a preference thing. You really need to have a play style and suit that works with the low phys resist + RPD strategy. (Also I see ya sly digs in past posts, just so you know, I die a lot less than you'd think )

Muolke is right however, the lack of 3 hit spells is a deal breaker. Obviously my hubris around the HLA made me overlook that glaring issue in my first post. 3-4 hit spells is the only must have on an endgame weapon. There is a reason that ancient warhammers... and recently the INSANELY GOOD ancient double bow.... are by far the best weapons on the server. They can max out the hit spells.

If you still need Stamina leech or Life leech you are not an endgame player and do not require an endgame weapon.

I also still firmly believe that if there was a deed that could remove a stat from a wep and I looted a 5x58 and one hit was HLA I would buy and use that deed reducing my weapon to a 4x58 because I believe it would be significantly better. The point to this story is to remind people it is not about how many numbers are on the weapon... but what attributes they are on. HLA, HSL, HLL, DI and HDispel all do next to nothing or literally nothing.

You will not recoup what you've put into this weapon (like with most second hand sales).

[Iltar]

There is a reason that ancient warhammers... and recently the INSANELY GOOD ancient double bow.... are by far the best weapons on the server. They can max out the hit spells.

I'm not saying ancient war hammers/composite bows are bad, they are 4x58 and have hit lightning + hit fireball, which both consume 4 points per %, but they don't have hit area. So you would need to spend a lot on hit area for them, if you want area. Hit area makes killing some places faster, because it pulls mob.

If you still need Stamina leech or Life leech you are not an endgame player and do not require an endgame weapon.

I can say differently: if you don't need leeches on weapon, then you hunt in too easy place. End-game is not just to make relayers and run gauntlet infinitely.

[Johnny Warren]

I'm not saying ancient war hammers/composite bows are bad, they are 4x58 and have hit lightning + hit fireball, which both consume 4 points per %, but they don't have hit area. So you would need to spend a lot on hit area for them, if you want area. Hit area makes killing some places faster, because it pulls mob.

I would have the AoE AND the 3 hit spells if I wanted an AoE weapon, or a single hit spell AND 3 AoE's. I am guessing the wep you looted didn't come with a hit spell on it.

I can say differently: if you don't need leeches on weapon, then you hunt in too easy place. End-game is not just to make relayers and run gauntlet infinitely.

Guess I've been using the spell divine fury wrong all this time then... divine fury and bandages seem to keep my stamina and hp at full all the time... but maybe that's because the orc caves are a bit easy to hunt at =\

[Iltar]

I would have the AoE AND the 3 hit spells if I wanted an AoE weapon, or a single hit spell AND 3 AoE's. I am guessing the wep you looted didn't come with a hit spell on it.

Weapon for sale came with Hit Lightning and Hit Energy Area. Just saying that Ancient Hammer/Composite bow has same amount of default points as normal 4x58 with area and hit spell like this one(not counting Dispel).
You can have AOE and 3 hit spells, but then might be lacking stamina or mana leech. Sadly ability points on weapons not endless(I will page gms maybe they'll fix it;) ).

Guess I've been using the spell divine fury wrong all this time then... divine fury and bandages seem to keep my stamina and hp at full all the time... but maybe that's because the orc caves are a bit easy to hunt at =\

Divine fury is not instant even if you drop magery to 69%. So it might mess other casts or curse weapon for example, also it stops from hitting and leeching life, which is bad under mortal strike. If you have very good gear you mostly will be ok without stamina leech(as well as without Hit Harm) with current content. I still sometimes can die in s'gail even with 700+hp when too many shadows/horses fight me while I am under mortal strike, so I prefer to not stop leeching because of divine fury delay. Also if you have less than 400hp s'gail entrance mobs can be risky too. And it's good to be safer in s'gail to do meat quest for gold.
About fel wrong, you mentioned that you had no problems with it before changes - I was doing it with 300 hp and without relayers easily too back then. But now I can die there with 500 hp if I target wrong mobs and loose too much time on umms. I die there rarely, but it does happen sometimes if I uncareful. Anyway I hope gms will add some new content, so good gear will be more necessary, but even now there are places where you can die sometimes, so I prefer leeches to Hit Harm bonus, which is very minor. Damage of Hit Harm is only about 1/2 of Lightning damage by my test, and is way weaker than physical damage with consecrate weapon and enemy of one.
Everyone chooses what he wants of course. I'm not trying to convince you JW and Muolke that this weapon is better than your's. Just saying that different strategies exist and 3/4Hits+noHLA is not absolutely superior than having only strong hits+stamina leech.

[Gaara]

also it stops from hitting and leeching life

It does not stop either one of these though.

Divine Fury is far superior to Stamina Leech on a weapon. I wouldn't personally put points in Stamina Leech since the spell exists but it's not too bad quality-of-life thing to have, less need to spam the spell but even with me spamming the spell non stop in Sgail surrounded by mobs i have no trouble keeping my stamina or health up via life leech under mortal strike.

All in all, use what you like. In the end it comes down to personal preference, although this weapon isn't really the mainstream "end game"

[Iltar]

Iltar wrote:
also it stops from hitting and leeching life

It does not stop either one of these though.

OK you right: I tested Divine Fury more and casting it doesn't stop from hitting. So stamina leech is not that important, but still in s'gail without it on weapon Divine Fury spams each second or two, which is annoying and can delay Curse Weapon recast.
In this case I personally prefer reducing Divine Fury spam to weak Hit Harm, but it's not that necessary indeed it seems.

[Iltar]

Price reduced to 2400 ed.
Consider all hits and options when making or buying weapon. Stamina leech is good to have and is convinient, as well as HLA, Hit Harm is pretty weak and doesn't worth ability potions, contrary to popular opinion - IMO.
Test everything yourself, then get a weapon you want(this or another).
Good base weapons are very hard to find and are rarely sold, and this one has lots of ED invested, so I'm pricing as cost of deeds + 550ed.
Thanks everyone for discussion, if you show me your weapon I'll find someone who will say it's trash and points are badly spent

[Muolke]

Price reduced to 2400 ed.
Consider all hits and options when making or buying weapon. Stamina leech is good to have and is convinient, as well as HLA, Hit Harm is pretty weak and doesn't worth ability potions, contrary to popular opinion - IMO.
Test everything yourself, then get a weapon you want(this or another).
Good base weapons are very hard to find and are rarely sold, and this one has lots of ED invested, so I'm pricing as cost of deeds + 550ed.
Thanks everyone for discussion, if you show me your weapon I'll find someone who will say it's trash and points are badly spent

Nobody said your weapon is trash Iltar. We all basically said what Gaara said. It's not considered a "mainstream" end game weapon. That's all.