Breeding Fail Rate

[Highroller]

Well if the last change to breeding fail rate probability was aimed toward making me want to quit breeding altogether its working. I just failed 6 times in a row on trying to breed a gen 2 and a gen 9 mule on a backbreed program. I paid for the breeding delay deeds so I KNOW how many times it was. I didn't forget over several days. The complaint is not over the gold for the delay deeds, I got the gold to use. Its bad enough I fail 90% or more of the time crossing maxed pets but when I fail 6 times in a row when 1 pet is not maxed something is just WRONG. PLEASE back off on the fail rate col. I don't WANT to quit breeding pets but at this rate I might as well. This had gone past the point of making breeding more difficult and gotten to the point of just punishing breeders.

[+Colibri]

The maxer the pets are, the more chance it is for them to fail. Like in real life, it's hard to get the top notch stuff. And if you succeed, it's not like you can produce them massively. So it's a sort of a "soft cap".. Well there might as well be no stat caps on pets, just this breeding one, since at let's say 1100-1200, it would probably be pretty much a 1% success chance.

[Orbit Storm]

Just to point something out here.. Highroller stated that neither of the pets he has used were maxxed.. at all.. So I don't think your reply really covers that problem +Colibri..

[+Rayne]

Just to point something out here.. Highroller stated that neither of the pets he has used were maxxed.. at all.. So I don't think your reply really covers that problem +Colibri..

The maxer the pets are, the more chance it is for them to fail.

He did not say, 'Maxed', but rather implied that the higher the level (maxer), the harder the breed, which is the case.

+Rayne

[Orbit Storm]

He did not say, 'Maxed', but rather implied that the higher the level (maxer), the harder the breed, which is the case.

+Rayne

Well I apologize for the confusion.. I wasn't aware "maxer" was a word.. thus I took it as "maxed".. Maybe it should have been clarified?

[Highroller]

Well I said a gen 9 and a gen 2. The gen 2 is definately not maxed. As an update the same cross has failed 4 more times. Thats 10 times in a row. My point being it is discouraging enough for 2 maxed pets to fail this much but when 1 is a gen 2 its VERY discouraging. ie discouraging to the point of me giving even MORE thought to stopping breeding (at least for selling to others). If this is your intent Col to make people give up on breeding just say so and I can quit thinking about it. I mean I breed up pets because its fun. But the current fail rate has taken the vast majority of the fun out of it. Having endless fails is not fun by any stretch of the imagination. I know you increased the fail rate when you changed it so gen 10 couldn't be bred to vice starting the cross and you admitted increasing the fail rate 1 time since then that I know of. Have there been even MORE increases to the fail rate? I know I have NEVER failed this many times on a backbreed. Just wondering if you have made breeding even more impossible?

[Highroller]

Update. 11th try crossing this gen 2 and a gen 9 actually worked. God help me when I try to breed the gen 3 baby I will get.

[Ruewyn]

Well chances are more likely the gen 3 will be sterile, then being able to successfully breed again.

[Kile Morgan]

Sorry to hear you're having such bad luck, I haven't been doing much breeding lately but I don't think I've ever had the failures you mention. All I can suggest is to keep trying. Actually I should say with the Cu's I haven't but I don't do as well with fire steeds and some other but the name escapes me.

[Highroller]

Rue you didn't even need to mention the word sterile ( When I get them sterile I get them in clumps ie it may only be 5% overall but its usually 50 or 100% for that batch claimed. As for the other reply if you aren't getting fails you must not have your pets very advanced yet. Trust me the fail rate will drive you crazy as you approach maxed on the pets.

[Ruewyn]

Oh the irony...Well, no sooner did I write that, then I went to back breed my maxed unicorn with a level 2. The Gen 10 came out with 3 breeds (whoopee), the gen 3 was sterile! Seeing how that was my only backbred line, I now have to start that whole process over, with a dwindling batch of Gen 9's. Oh yeah...not to mention unicorns are utterly worthless due to Mules, but hey i know that going into it. <hopefully the other thread of the pet slot deeds will get more attention to fix that>.

cheers!
Ruewyn

[Highroller]

Sorry to hear about your unicorn line. I never really tried very hard to breed unicorns due to as you say them being a 2 slot pet.

[Highroller]

Well you just HAD to mention sterile Rue. I got back 2 pairs of my back breeding today. The 2 that didn't take 11 attempts to breed ie. The 2 gen 10's had 4 and 2 breeds in theory. Of course you cant breed a gen 10 so that was smoke and mirrors. BOTH the gen 3 babies were born sterile. You know Col you told me you had looked at the code more than 1 time and I believe you but if the 3rd baby I had to use 8 or 10 breeding delay deeds on before it finally crossed has a sterile baby also you will get your reduction in pets. Because that will be the last straw. I had my mules breeding line crippled by steriles last time I back bred AND my CU's breeding crippled by a lot of steriles. At this point it doesn't matter if its just bad luck. When its consistent its time to cut my losses and quit breeding. It doesn't matter if the sterile rate is .05% if I ALWAYS get steriles at the critical point in a breeding program then its too high. I am really tired of tilting at windmills here. I will know if its time to hang it up in a couple days. Just the 2 may be enough, I have to think hard on it. I could deal with the fail rate or I could deal with the sterile rate but I am having a LOT of trouble dealing with both. For 2 years I have not believed in the no-win scenario but then again my name is not James T. Kirk.

If the worst happens I will probably still breed pets just for me.

[Ruewyn]

I'm so so sorry, that is really horrible. Hope i really had nothing to do with it.

[Highroller]

Don't sweat it Rue. You mentioning the word can't REALLY cause it to happen though sometimes you gotta wonder. Well I got impatient and got the 3rd back breed out early and lo and behold it wasn't sterile so I only hit 66% vice the 5% chance its supposed to be. Gee if I could hit things that were 1 in 400 chance that were GOOD it wouldn't be so bad. But if I had hit the 1 in 8000 it would have definately been time to hang up breeding. Off to a great start, already had 4 fails crossing my 1 gen 3 to gen 9's.