Champ spawn vote in at 3 full sides

[Steve]

First off Sorry for making it seem like i was attacking you Rindon, was not my intent.

The thing that realy gets to me is everyone is "thinking about the newbies", in short, making the game easier. why now? why at all? the economy always seems to sort itself out and i think that babying the new comers to the shard is pretty much the wrong direction to go in. people complain of the lack of chalange...why, becuase we "must think of the newbies" I dont know a single RPG where a heck of alot of grinding is needed to achive greatness, why dont we kit out all newcomers with customery free GoC sets? that would make life for them easier!

Dont get me wrong, im all for helping the newbies, but not like this, you gotta help them (and i dont mean charity), not mother them!

Of all the ideas so far i think nels is best, despite my rants, it seems there will probably be a change -.- and this idea is the only one that effects the newbies, without disrupting any other player.

I think ive voiced my own oppinion enough now, starting to get sick of my own words.

[Spendy]

Im always up for new features and ideas, but not because someone doesnt like the way something is, but because it may be benificial to the shard. Think about the post before you submit, and make sure your not posting for your own desires and/or shortcomings!

Someone not liking the way something is , *IS* the whole point of the "suggestions" forum .... if everyone loved it the way it is , then there would be no reason to change it ..... you just seem to have taken this whole thread the wrong way .... and have bashed the creator , and people that have written in it . Col has created this part of the forum to get a feel as to what the players of his game want , and would like to see ...... not as a "bash everyone that has a differing view to me" section .

*sighs*

This is only the second thread I have ever written in , in my 340 days of playing .... little wonder

[Steve]

I get it, its a suggestion, Seems you dont get my point!

Dont come crying to me when the shards too easy!

[Spendy]

That`s fine , you think this is a bad idea ..... and you think it would make the shard easier .... that is cool .

why you have to make people feel stupid / bad / inconsiderate / greedy etc just for making a suggestion , I will never ... ever understand .

We all play the same game ... you can get your point across , without making others feel like they don`t belong here .

And sorry Rindon , this will be my last post ... I didn`t mean to turn this thread into this

[Zanther]

I don't think changing the system really fixes the issue it is just a band aid or mask.

The issue is people are voting no. there is no accountability for there actions. If there are
Six people at a champ a person can vote no and no one will know who it was that voted no.

Its easy to say I always vote yes but do you really? I am not a code expert nor do
I play one on tv. It would seem to me the best way would be to track how each person
Votes.

Would be nice to track total vote history. I would not want to be singled out
For voting no one time when some jackwagon shows up being a jerk when the
52 other time I did a champ I voted yes.

Make people accountable for there votes there reputation is at stake and mine
Is worth more to me then any PS.

[Steve]

why you have to make people feel stupid / bad / inconsiderate / greedy etc just for making a suggestion

YOUR TOTALY RIGHT, why did i waste all this time calling sumone an idiot, making them feel bad, calling them greedy (???)!

i best stay away from you, your too smart for me, DAMN my plans to secretly ruin the shard and upset everyone foiled again!

GAH!

(id just like to say in this LAST post on this thread...not once (besides this one obviously) have i gone off topic and flamed anyone (not intentionaly anyway and this i have said before), i've kept to the point and stated in my oppinion why this is a bad idea.

where as you spendy (yes i've succumbed to singleing you out) decide to take digs at me taking digs at the topic, rarther than focus on the topic)

[Zanther]

Steve you lost points for not putting "shakes angry fist" anywhere in your last post.

[Rindon]

First off Sorry for making it seem like i was attacking you Rindon, was not my intent.

The thing that realy gets to me is everyone is "thinking about the newbies", in short, making the game easier. why now? why at all? the economy always seems to sort itself out and i think that babying the new comers to the shard is pretty much the wrong direction to go in. people complain of the lack of chalange...why, becuase we "must think of the newbies" I dont know a single RPG where a heck of alot of grinding is needed to achive greatness, why dont we kit out all newcomers with customery free GoC sets? that would make life for them easier!

Dont get me wrong, im all for helping the newbies, but not like this, you gotta help them (and i dont mean charity), not mother them!

Of all the ideas so far i think nels is best, despite my rants, it seems there will probably be a change -.- and this idea is the only one that effects the newbies, without disrupting any other player.

I think ive voiced my own oppinion enough now, starting to get sick of my own words.

lol my flaming statement was not directed at you. The entire post kind of took a turn for the worse. That is what I was referencing.

[Rindon]

I get it, its a suggestion, Seems you dont get my point!

Dont come crying to me when the shards too easy!

Also, overpowered is kind of common place on this shard. Not that I am complaining about it, I rather enjoy it. Just stating a fact.

[Layfon Alseif]

Actually if we're talking about that it's hard for some to get into a champ, there's 2 solutions already thought out:
A. If you do a champ, you cannot enter a new one for at least a few hours. This makes so that one person can't do 6 champs a day, meaning there's more for the rest.
B. The ability to join a champ at any level, but not frequently, let's say once a week.

Even better, that there's a champ spawn but you bid on who gets to have it. If there aren't any bid increases for 5 minutes, then whoever won the bid gets it. And it's a gold sink. I'll code it and we'll see how it goes.

I wonder how long these ideas were thought out, and how Outraged v.s. Pleased some of the shard will be if these changes are made.

If there are problems with an overflow of gold maybe there should be other changes as well such as a limit on how much gold can be looted/claimed from corpses in a day. Example only 300k instead of some players looting 1-2mil a day from corpses. How about a change to Titan's Hammer such as only 1 may be stolen per account per year. If were talking about balancing out the shard these are problems that have yet to even be addressed and should be coded as well.

[Reese]

I have a suggestion. If you want to do a champ, go and find them. Search for them more than 1 time a day, more than 2 times to better your odds of doing one.

We currently have the (young) status, they even have their own champ they can go to which has a 4 hour timer.

Well there it is, that's a fact. Newbie champ as it is referred to "in game" has a 4 hour timer all the other ones have a 5.5-7 hour timer.

Considering we have far less young then vets....

More vets than young. Vets have 15 different champs to goto other than just 1. 6 times a day you got newbie champ running and 4 times a day for 9 of the others. Make those 9 champs more frequent by dropping the respawn rate by 1 hour. This isn't a major suggestion but i think it will help. 4.5-6 hours

Ok wanna try to get the voting stretched to 3/4 because you showed up late. Say you showed up at 3/4 and they voted you in is it ok for the people who were there first to only give you 1/4 of the gold that everyone else gets?
All +Colibri has to do is say that it is ok to split the gold depending on how much you helped progress the champ and I wouldn't mind letting you in when you show up and its almost finished.

So if +Colibri says it is ok to give you gold based on how much work you did then I think everyone will vote yes to people who show up late.
I have also let people in right before the boss comes out because they said I don't want any gold i just want a powerscroll.

[Danilo Thann]

Yikes. What an issue. Not really... Everyone is greedy when the gold (PS) is right in front of there face. No way to turn that power off... the power of greed. **Plausible solutions so far: pay to spawn a champ (wrong). Adding more then 8 candles to the voting process (wrong) If its not broken don't fix it! That being said, know that the foundation is not broken. What is, or rather needs to be fixed is the player aspect. Should a person or a guild have the right to not allow some one into a champ spawn. Your darn right. If people can sell ED's for 120k each then i can tell John Smith to take a hike. Should people be allowed to down champs when they have the time and the people/power to do so. Most definitely!

So how do we fix this so called problem? If it were my problem to fix I'd go one of two ways.

Way 1: Earn it!

Way 2: Spawn it More Often!

Lets start with Way 2. Two changes would be applied to what already exists. First the time would be divided in half. So 6 hours becomes 3 hours and so on. The second change would be to add a decay timer. This timer counts down from the time the Champ is downed. Its purpose is to keep the player who downed the first champ from having a chance to down the next champ in line. and so on. This probably wont stop the Guilds from over running Champ spawns, but its an idea to work on... Perhaps have more then one champ being spawned, in more then one location, at the same time... *shrugs*

Now for Way 1. I suggest using a Virtue (since they aren't being used) *I'd go with Valor, letting Valor be gained by the killing of normal fame based monsters* Set an adequate number for the gaining of each of the three tiers, which are common place with all virtues. Now each tier ranking gained gives you a clue as to where to find a collectible item, 1 of 3, used to summon a specific champ. Finally put a limit on how often a champ can be summoned by a player. Perhaps once a day, or week.

In order for Way 1 to work the best, the amount of monster's killed to raise the Valor Virtue up its three tiers needs to be increasingly sufficient... I also suggest no matter what is killed at least 1 point of Valor should be gained... I do not suggest that if the Valor Virtue is used that there should be any decay, and if that is not a possibility... then the decay should be slow as well as small.

Please for the Love of Lord British, Rest his soul, do not allow the collected items be trade-able.

One final thing (sorry this is turning out to be a Book) I also think that the Summoned Champion should be colored a different color... so others can distinguish between the two; normal and summoned Champions.

*Note* Summoned champs do not disrupt the normal chain of Champion spawns... they are just a reward for playing the game. The person summoning the Champ has the only and final say as to who can join the champ at any time. (People in a party with the summoner are instantly allowed to down the champ and his spawn, others still get the pop up menu asking if they wish to join, as well as to wait for the vote.

Thanks for your time... let the Flames role in.. (holds up his spell finger, ready to cast summon water elemental)

[TheWatcher]

I almost cant believe what i have read so far.....

almost......

Voting at 3 sides has to be the imo stupidest idea i have read. Lets say i am doing fire champ, solo after i have posted numerous times it is up. I get through 14 candles which if anyone knows is a massive amount of work. A guild shows up with one white candle to spare. Cleans out the spawn with 6 of em then drops pets onto the champ. I fail to get a PS, then i have to split the gold 7 ways. Because of Captain whiney and the crew.

When the changes were made to the original champ drops (6 PS regardless of how many players participated) we were told in these very forums that PS where supposed to be like degrees from harvard (i think was the terminology) or BMWs..... It shouldnt be given to you it should be a reward for working hard. Now we are completely contradicting that by saying we shoudl allow newer players into the champs and limit vets to only doing 1 champ per day (whatever). I for one am sick of things being nerfed so younger players have a fairer shot. It takes all of 3 weeks to be up and running with a full pack of mules and be ready for 90% of champs (all game content in fact).

I am in a guild with 3 players. One of whom doesnt do champs as far as i am aware. JW and myself constantly find champs open. Its a matter of saddling up the charger and actually looking. Not waiting for it to be announced in chat.

I absolutely agree that there is nothing more annoying that someone standing in the trees and waiting for a champ to drop then all killing. Every vet i have done a champ with where I invite them in, they more often than not fight with just bow making sure everyone gets a scroll. It seems to me its these upstart whiners, the very ones who are making these complaints, who are dropping pets on the last white candle waiting to take the champ down. I have no issue letting people from LMC and Bud Brothers and some of the older guilds join if i have started a champ. The majority of the time i know they will do the right thing by me....

Drink some cement are harden up..... Seems to me you couldve found a champ while taking the time to post all this garbage on the forums....

AM i being to harsh?

TheWatcher
My2c

[Steve]

Well said,

Although to SOME that post would be considered flaming >_< LMAO

its nice to see i wasn't being overly opinionated and that im not the only one who thinks the same on these forums ^_-

[Cornbread]

I'm a new player and agree with TheWatcher on this one completely. Yeah, it's annoying to run onto a champ spawn and it be at 9 candles and not get in because a guild is controlling it. There's plenty of times I find a spawn and push it to 8 candles either solo or with just one guildmate and then don't let people in. You win some you lose some. I've probably done 200 champs in 2 months and probably been rejected from as many. If you want to do champ spawns get out and do some leg work. It's really not that hard to run there and check.