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I want to Hit Life Leach to hit area fire or poison what do yall think
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only opinion id trust for an such an expensive deed is john warren and although you two are always sniping at each other i think warren would still help out if you asked him directly. i know there are other wep experts on the server i dont mean to dismiss them its just that i dont ever chat about weps so i have no clue who knows what they are talking about and who doesnt. dont judge an expert by how loud or confident they sound especially when a billion gold deed is at stake.
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culichi wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:01 pm only opinion id trust for an such an expensive deed is john warren and although you two are always sniping at each other i think warren would still help out if you asked him directly. i know there are other wep experts on the server i dont mean to dismiss them its just that i dont ever chat about weps so i have no clue who knows what they are talking about and who doesnt. dont judge an expert by how loud or confident they sound especially when a billion gold deed is at stake.
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Thanks for the plug culichi :D

I'm always happy to discuss weapons with anyone. It would be best if you uploaded a pic of the weapon you are thinking of using it on.

In general Fire Area is going to do more damage to more mobs than Poison. One reason to go poison over fire is that if you already have a fire spell (or 2) on the bow then the poison area can cover another elemental damage type, making the weapon more well rounded.

The general wisdom is that AoE is not ideal on a bow. You can make one "all-rounder" of a weapon, which is fine. But usually people make an all-out AoE weapon (Dread sword/halberd/double axe/warhammer) and then an all out direct hit weapon (bow - yumi). That way you can maximise the potential of each type of weapon.

My advice would be to take your time using it and make sure you are 100% sure of what you're doing. It wasn't a cheap deed, you don't want buyers regret by misusing it.
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Johnny Warren wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 4:05 pm Thanks for the plug culichi :D

I'm always happy to discuss weapons with anyone. It would be best if you uploaded a pic of the weapon you are thinking of using it on.

In general Fire Area is going to do more damage to more mobs than Poison. One reason to go poison over fire is that if you already have a fire spell (or 2) on the bow then the poison area can cover another elemental damage type, making the weapon more well rounded.

The general wisdom is that AoE is not ideal on a bow. You can make one "all-rounder" of a weapon, which is fine. But usually people make an all-out AoE weapon (Dread sword/halberd/double axe/warhammer) and then an all out direct hit weapon (bow - yumi). That way you can maximise the potential of each type of weapon.

My advice would be to take your time using it and make sure you are 100% sure of what you're doing. It wasn't a cheap deed, you don't want buyers regret by misusing it.
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I think, after all those years, i have some knowledge about weapons and points distribution well consolidated.

What JW said is correct, except the part where he mentions "fire area", which i would substitute for "energy area", being energy more powerful than fire, and more versatile since its allow you to kill a group of Umms in one hit, f.e., where fire won't affect them.

Concening the X to Y, i would expressly recommend not to use it on this weapon. This weapon of yours cannot be improved by that deed, not in a way that worths the price you paid for it. You would be wasting it. The ONLY way i see for this deed to improve this weapon would be if you change life leech to hit lower defense, that way you would slightly increase the DPS of the weapon.... but, honestly, does it worth to buy a HLD hit for 1b? It sounds nuts...

That deed is suposed to be used on very very special looted weapons, where you would wish to change some useless hit as Dispel or HLA, turning it into a mindblowing 3 or even 4-hit weapon, or to add another area hit to an already AoE weapon, making it up to 2 or 3 areas in it, also a very good idea.

My advice is: just keep it safe, until you have found the right weapon to use it on. Save it for the right moment. You won't regret doing it, when it comes the time to use it on a really relevant project.

I hope my opinion can help.
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Johnny Warren wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 4:05 pm
The general wisdom is that AoE is not ideal on a bow. You can make one "all-rounder" of a weapon, which is fine. But usually people make an all-out AoE weapon (Dread sword/halberd/double axe/warhammer) and then an all out direct hit weapon (bow - yumi). That way you can maximise the potential of each type of weapon.
But having WW in that bow wouldn't it make it a 1-for all weapon?
It has everything possible in the bow: no amo, ww + doubleshot + all hits and all bonuses. Changing that life leech for the best AoE possible and this weapon could only be better with "add X spending points" right?
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deckard wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:11 am I think, after all those years, i have some knowledge about weapons and points distribution well consolidated.

What JW said is correct, except the part where he mentions "fire area", which i would substitute for "energy area", being energy more powerful than fire, and more versatile since its allow you to kill a group of Umms in one hit, f.e., where fire won't affect them.

Concening the X to Y, i would expressly recommend not to use it on this weapon. This weapon of yours cannot be improved by that deed, not in a way that worths the price you paid for it. You would be wasting it. The ONLY way i see for this deed to improve this weapon would be if you change life leech to hit lower defense, that way you would slightly increase the DPS of the weapon.... but, honestly, does it worth to buy a HLD hit for 1b? It sounds nuts...

That deed is suposed to be used on very very special looted weapons, where you would wish to change some useless hit as Dispel or HLA, turning it into a mindblowing 3 or even 4-hit weapon, or to add another area hit to an already AoE weapon, making it up to 2 or 3 areas in it, also a very good idea.

My advice is: just keep it safe, until you have found the right weapon to use it on. Save it for the right moment. You won't regret doing it, when it comes the time to use it on a really relevant project.

I hope my opinion can help.
Thanks man I really appreciate your input and hope that we can get past all this bull crap, I am so confused on what to do with it I think the bow would amazing with the hit area. Still need to figure out the best. Oh and besides I took +C's donation money and did a thing today see below LOL.
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deckard wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:11 am
Concening the X to Y, i would expressly recommend not to use it on this weapon. This weapon of yours cannot be improved by that deed, not in a way that worths the price you paid for it. You would be wasting it. The ONLY way i see for this deed to improve this weapon would be if you change life leech to hit lower defense, that way you would slightly increase the DPS of the weapon.... but, honestly, does it worth to buy a HLD hit for 1b? It sounds nuts...

That deed is suposed to be used on very very special looted weapons, where you would wish to change some useless hit as Dispel or HLA, turning it into a mindblowing 3 or even 4-hit weapon, or to add another area hit to an already AoE weapon, making it up to 2 or 3 areas in it, also a very good idea.

My advice is: just keep it safe, until you have found the right weapon to use it on. Save it for the right moment. You won't regret doing it, when it comes the time to use it on a really relevant project.
You mean a weapon like this?

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Lach wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:36 am Thanks man I really appreciate your input and hope that we can get past all this bull crap, I am so confused on what to do with it I think the bow would amazing with the hit area. Still need to figure out the best. Oh and besides I took +C's donation money and did a thing today see below LOL.
Yeah, i am done with the crap.

There are many reasons why you don't want area hit in a bow, i'll give you some:

- In halloween dungeon, if you fightning a 5x Cliodhna run, you need to kill them 1 by 1 and they are very nearby, don't want to draw the attention of the others.
- In Sgáil, you don't want to draw attention of the white minotaurs.
- In winter dungeon, area hits are disabled... so it would be like you have only the hits + mana, no passive hits.
- In labyrinth you don't wanna draw attention from the rends and Minotaurs scouts

there may be more...
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Muolke wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:40 pm You mean a weapon like this?
lmao, yes... exactly like this. you show-off :lookingout:
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deckard wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:11 am

What JW said is correct, except the part where he mentions "fire area", which i would substitute for "energy area", being energy more powerful than fire, and more versatile since its allow you to kill a group of Umms in one hit, f.e., where fire won't affect them.

Concening the X to Y, i would expressly recommend not to use it on this weapon. This weapon of yours cannot be improved by that deed, not in a way that worths the price you paid for it. You would be wasting it. The ONLY way i see for this deed to improve this weapon would be if you change life leech to hit lower defense, that way you would slightly increase the DPS of the weapon.... but, honestly, does it worth to buy a HLD hit for 1b? It sounds nuts...


That deed is suposed to be used on very very special looted weapons, where you would wish to change some useless hit as Dispel or HLA, turning it into a mindblowing 3 or even 4-hit weapon, or to add another area hit to an already AoE weapon, making it up to 2 or 3 areas in it, also a very good idea.
I agree with both of these. I think if you tally up all the mobs and their lowest resistances and then multiply it by their relative abundance and spawn rates you'll find fire does more damage to more mobs than others, but energy is very useful, especially on the Umms. I wouldn't be upset at anyone not adding fire area. In fact I did not select fire area on my 7x60 with 3 AoE effects (I have cold, energy and poison my my WW weapon).

The final statement that Deckard makes is the most correct. It is also what I told you in game. Deckard states it perfectly: "That deed is suposed to be used on very very special looted weapons". I already had a 5x58 which had HLA and hit stam leech on it when I bought my 2 X to Y deeds. I think, especially considering you paid nearly 3x what they usually sell for, that it is worth saving for such a weapon. I also think, even with WW, that you want to keep your bow as direct hits, for the reasons Deckard suggested and more. Patience is key. Wait for the right weapon.
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Lach wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:36 am I took +C's donation money and did a thing today see below LOL.
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Johnny Warren wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:50 pm
deckard wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 6:11 am

What JW said is correct, except the part where he mentions "fire area", which i would substitute for "energy area", being energy more powerful than fire, and more versatile since its allow you to kill a group of Umms in one hit, f.e., where fire won't affect them.

Concening the X to Y, i would expressly recommend not to use it on this weapon. This weapon of yours cannot be improved by that deed, not in a way that worths the price you paid for it. You would be wasting it. The ONLY way i see for this deed to improve this weapon would be if you change life leech to hit lower defense, that way you would slightly increase the DPS of the weapon.... but, honestly, does it worth to buy a HLD hit for 1b? It sounds nuts...


That deed is suposed to be used on very very special looted weapons, where you would wish to change some useless hit as Dispel or HLA, turning it into a mindblowing 3 or even 4-hit weapon, or to add another area hit to an already AoE weapon, making it up to 2 or 3 areas in it, also a very good idea.
I agree with both of these. I think if you tally up all the mobs and their lowest resistances and then multiply it by their relative abundance and spawn rates you'll find fire does more damage to more mobs than others, but energy is very useful, especially on the Umms. I wouldn't be upset at anyone not adding fire area. In fact I did not select fire area on my 7x60 with 3 AoE effects (I have cold, energy and poison my my WW weapon).

The final statement that Deckard makes is the most correct. It is also what I told you in game. Deckard states it perfectly: "That deed is suposed to be used on very very special looted weapons". I already had a 5x58 which had HLA and hit stam leech on it when I bought my 2 X to Y deeds. I think, especially considering you paid nearly 3x what they usually sell for, that it is worth saving for such a weapon. I also think, even with WW, that you want to keep your bow as direct hits, for the reasons Deckard suggested and more. Patience is key. Wait for the right weapon.
I really wish I could just get at a normal price instead of being ran up all the time on items they don't even want or need, I wonder how people would feel if I did that......... Anyway Then I could make several weapons but since I'll never get another I'll just do hit energy. If I can even get my auction items used that is. Edit Someone sent me a message I agree with that person but also the point I am trying to make is that I do not bid on a single item unless I want it. Where as others bid on every item I want because I have money and they think it's funny. It's just twisted game I do not want to play anymore and it's making things on the shard bad for everyone. Besides the one that already have everything and thinks its funny.
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