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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby +Colibri on Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:52 am

I'm thinking a good addition or alernative to the regen slow down, would be the fizzling/fumbling/craftfail actions - the further below 50% satiation you are, the more likely it is that you fail.

Also, the magically created food by mages, would not count as actual food that feeds you, but only as a 10 minute buff that gives you full satiation.
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby Yoda on Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:58 am

I am still trying to figure out how the experience and fun factor of the shard is added to by throwing in a bunch of specific debuffs associated with eating, slowing regens etc stuff people trained.. so in other words hyper realism.

so the upside is what?

a few statbuffs in a similar level of strength to magic fish?

Its more of a question than a statement
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby +Nyx on Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:16 pm

The food buffs will not be just stats, nor will they be a similar level of benefit to the magic fish. Some buffs could be that low (IE: for the new fish types in the old-world maps, which have new recipes to cook those fish), but the Elysium food ones will not be. That would be a very useless cooking update and I try really hard not to make useless content.

Why have any detriment at all? Well, beyond the fact that it's basic game design (don't give too many positives without some negatives as well), there are a few main reasons-

A hunger system has been requested many times in my years here, and it's something the staff have discussed and wanted to do for a long time. We also didn't want it to be ridiculously serious like in other games where you will actually die if you don't eat every few minutes. Eating once per few hours is barely going to affect gameplay. It isn't hyper-realistic. It's reasonable, especially given the fantastic buffs you'll be able to obtain from food.

It adds to the overall experience of the game, making cooking viable and important again, and in turn also boosting other areas of the game like farming and fishing. It expands our options for mob/quest encounters and boss fights - some could boost or reduce your satiation. Without a need to eat, then those types of encounters either can't exist or instead become something that actively removes your actual buffs which would be far more painful for the player than simply needing to eat again.

It also expands the types of buffs we can include on different foods. With over 250 new cooking recipes, trying to make each food have its own individual validity and usefulness becomes extremely challenging. The more beneficial options I have to choose from, the more balanced the system can be and the more viable we can make the different foods. Otherwise we slowly end up with the same crap we see with BCs. Everybody decides on the "ultimate" buff combo of maybe 5 types of food, and then the other 245+ are basically useless. I recognize that it's impossible to fully avoid this type of issue but I aim to make it so that there are many, many really viable foods. I want as many as possible to be seen as worth cooking even 3 years from now. So being able to add things like slower digestion, overcap satiation and so on just adds to my list of possible buffs and spreads things out a bit better over the massive number of food items that are coming.

I think a lot of folks didn't really read +C's original post and just made an assumption about what the hunger system means for you as players, because we've seen a lot of replies that ignored things already covered earlier in the thread. The gist, again, is that you'll only need to eat every few hours. Eating will involve nothing different than it does right now - double-click your preferred food item a couple times, and go on with your day. Regen drain is a better, less distracting option than spell fizzling, stumbling/falling over, actual HP/mana/stamina loss, or death. All of which were previously discussed as options and rejected for that exact reason - they're a lot more invasive to gameplay.

I know that a lot of folks are very resistant to changes to the game, but the game has to change in order to grow. The shard needs to stay fresh and interesting, it needs new content to be added, and not all of that content can always be optional things. In order to make our little internet home a better, more fun, more interesting place, we sometimes have to make changes that do affect everyone. In this case, it isn't just being thrown together willy-nilly, it's something we've discussed for years, and started making definitive plans for months ago. A lot of thought and debate has gone into it, and into how to implement it in a way that isn't overly onerous to the player. Y'all do a lot of other things in the game a whole lot more often than once per 2-5 hours, this will barely be a blip on your radar after you get in the habit of it.
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby Sir Blood on Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:41 pm

Is there going to be a display icon or something we can drag and drop onto our screens that shows us how soon we need to eat... like a Grey for don't need to eat at all, green when you could eat but don't really need to, yellow for starting to lose regens/buffs and red meaning "Danger Will Robinson, Danger!i!"

I understand some food may have specific buffs like 30 minutes or 1 hour etc, just a more physical display of how far along the hunger scale you are...

On an added note... is there going to be achievements for surviving killing some big baddie on totally starving?
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby +Colibri on Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:20 am

Glyph - i like the idea for those smelly mobs :) Maybe also you can't consume food if there's horse dung laying around (no appetite), more of an easteregg thing.

About adding this to the levelable menu, no we didn't consider that to be an option. Could be added, but I think nobody would want to waste points on something where you have to just eat less frequently, instead where it really matters (damage bonuses). I think it would be a cool thing to add to various loot...

Yes there will be an icon in the [buffs that will show your current status of hunger & regen rates. I like the idea for hunger icon to be colored to show the status (going to have to be a separate icon then), so you can see right away what your satiation is.

And there can also be an achievement related to this :)
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby Octavius Thorn on Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:47 pm

real question I have for all of this is, how will this effect my AFKing at the bank ?? :D :lol:
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby +Colibri on Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:41 pm

Octavius Thorn wrote:real question I have for all of this is, how will this effect my AFKing at the bank ?? :D :lol:


Yes, all the hungry people will be purged of public placed by the constabulary.
(just kidding, well, black humor - that would be true realism)
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby +Nyx on Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:27 pm

I like the idea of food related achievements, that could be a lot of fun to make.

Also lol @ constabulary :lol:
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby Miranda Ventrata on Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:42 pm

Ohhh realism!! I have an idea. After a couple days of no food we die. BUT when we do eat, all it does other than keep us from starving to death, is make us sleep for an hour or 2. 0 stam, for that time. And as time goes on, our chars get fatter until we weigh 1000 stone.
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby Sir Blood on Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:02 am

I could see some real fun going into this...

* Mobile food trucks/carts that offer exceptional food at 'reasonable' prices... mobile meaning they move around...
* NPC restaurants offering special food that can't be found elsewhere...
* Possibly 1 or 2 Nomadic NPC chefs that cook Exceptional food... (like a turkey dinner that takes you from 0 to 157 with slow digestion)
* Regular food, exceptionally well prepared food and exceptionally rare and awesome "S" class food...
* Have fun with.... someone that eats nothing but the same foods over and over...
-- Starts farting (failed spellcasting animation)
-- Constipated or Bloated (movement rate decreased for like 10 seconds... possibly unable to eat/drink for a little while...)
-- "you are what you eat"... polymorph joke...?!?

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On a more serious note... BoD's for cooking and/or +cooking armor/clothing?
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby Asmodean on Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:01 pm

First off, I'd like to say I hate being forced to participate in a system, which is exactly what this does.

So, I'm suggesting a way to automate it, within the game. Set a food, when you get below whatever threshold hunger, you auto-eat it to become full once again.

For example, if cooked bird is your food of choice, and it adds 20 hunger, every time you hit 133% overstuffed, you would eat a cooked bird.

At least this way, it's not too much of a hassle and hindrance to gameplay.

edit: also, you still have to buy/make the food, so it shouldn't affect much other than convenience.

(re-posted here since +C linked to this thread.)
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby Charon on Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:31 pm

Asmodean wrote:First off, I'd like to say I hate being forced to participate in a system, which is exactly what this does.

So, I'm suggesting a way to automate it, within the game. Set a food, when you get below whatever threshold hunger, you auto-eat it to become full once again.

For example, if cooked bird is your food of choice, and it adds 20 hunger, every time you hit 133% overstuffed, you would eat a cooked bird.

At least this way, it's not too much of a hassle and hindrance to gameplay.

edit: also, you still have to buy/make the food, so it shouldn't affect much other than convenience.

(re-posted here since +C linked to this thread.)


Asmodean. How about you create a macro for Razor or UOSteam that targets fishsteaks in you backpack makes you eat them?
You could have it run every 30 mins and consume 6-8 fishsteaks.......
unless you have the above programs already automating some other menial task, like.... spells, healing, etc. :D

Are we really going to complain about being forced to eat? After 15+yrs of UO I finally took some fishing skill....
so I can feed myself. 15+ years or not needing the skill, no complaints here.
What's the point of a cooking skill and new revamps if all the items are is deco?
Isn't this what the gms are trying to accomplish, making unused skills valid again?

But hey that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby Asmodean on Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:16 pm

Charon wrote:
Asmodean wrote:First off, I'd like to say I hate being forced to participate in a system, which is exactly what this does.

So, I'm suggesting a way to automate it, within the game. Set a food, when you get below whatever threshold hunger, you auto-eat it to become full once again.

For example, if cooked bird is your food of choice, and it adds 20 hunger, every time you hit 133% overstuffed, you would eat a cooked bird.

At least this way, it's not too much of a hassle and hindrance to gameplay.

edit: also, you still have to buy/make the food, so it shouldn't affect much other than convenience.

(re-posted here since +C linked to this thread.)


Asmodean. How about you create a macro for Razor or UOSteam that targets fishsteaks in you backpack makes you eat them?
You could have it run every 30 mins and consume 6-8 fishsteaks.......
unless you have the above programs already automating some other menial task, like.... spells, healing, etc. :D

Are we really going to complain about being forced to eat? After 15+yrs of UO I finally took some fishing skill....
so I can feed myself. 15+ years or not needing the skill, no complaints here.
What's the point of a cooking skill and new revamps if all the items are is deco?
Isn't this what the gms are trying to accomplish, making unused skills valid again?

But hey that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.


Making skills valid is awesome. Adding buffs to cooking is awesome. Forcing me to eat, or lose the regens i paid 6500 ED for on 13 relayers, not so much. I forgot I commented earlier in this thread, but still pretty much feel the same, and feel this auto-eat within the game itself would be a welcome addition. If others don't feel this way cool. I'll suck it up and get an eating macro.
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby DonShinchan on Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:47 am

I find this strange, how can starvation can make us lose all buffs that our gear provides that isn't close to magic properties of the player itself.

Think what would make sense to shut down from the player would be related only to the player and his/her skills, because it's something that he has and has nothing to do with gear.

For example shutdown meditation effect because is related with the player and his hunger level.

But take out hp,stamina,mana regen from an item or items would still be active.

On the other hand food bonus/gifts/wtv would decay and then cut out, considering they would still be active when hunger strikes.

But that's just my point.
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Re: Upcoming Food Revamp

Postby Melkor on Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:33 am

Request, could you put roast pigs on npc vendors? The reason why I'm asking is years ago I played on another shard that required you to eat. If you ate an apple or a pie you would be hungry again soon. I always bought roast pigs off npc vendors because if you ate one, you wouldn't be able to eat for quite awhile because you were so full. Makes it a lot less tedious to always be 2clicking pies or whatever.

On another note, if someone makes an easyUO or UOSteam script to auto eat could they post it, or send it to me if they don't want it public.

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